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famous guest who00:00:02
doesn’t need a special introduction, this is the00:00:04
Russian writer Viktor Erofeev,00:00:05
thank you very much for coming to our00:00:07
array studio that the name is Viktor you00:00:09
left Russia like thousands of people00:00:11
this year, the only reason is the war,00:00:14
well, I I usually say now that I didn’t leave00:00:17
Russia, Russia left me, and it’s00:00:21
not even a joke, it’s basically a reality,00:00:24
because well, it’s Russia that left,00:00:27
which on TV says such things,00:00:30
such terrible things00:00:32
happen in Ukraine or in Ukraine, what’s the00:00:36
correct way to say it now? but in general,00:00:38
well, she knows how to leave me, and since00:00:42
I have, as it were, two souls, words, one Russian, the00:00:45
other so European French, then00:00:48
in general, I studied at home, I feel good here and00:00:51
I’m happy, absolutely00:00:54
happy, I’m ready now photo, it’s a pity for a00:00:57
professor at a university near Hamburg to00:00:59
teach Russian culture and00:01:02
give to students because that’s what I can00:01:05
do,00:01:06
well, if we talk about exact sociology, then00:01:10
in Russia it’s certainly impossible now, it’s00:01:11
just that many people are afraid00:01:13
to answer sociologists’ questions, the less00:01:15
clear that there is some group that00:01:17
supports Putin, supports his00:01:19
war, there is some -there is a group of people like you00:01:22
who naturally cannot accept this war,00:01:24
there is some group, maybe00:01:26
even the largest of people who00:01:29
look at this indifferently with00:01:31
prostration, try not to notice and00:01:33
ignore what happened to00:01:35
Russian society in general, that such a tragedy is the00:01:37
bloody murder of civilians that00:01:40
people are trying to react the same way00:01:43
they reacted to you, I tried to00:01:44
analyze this, just in my articles in00:01:47
German newspapers, it seems to me that00:01:49
Russia still belongs to another civilization, the00:01:52
block said this best in his poem, the00:01:57
Scythians, that before the Scythians, we are Asians, and so00:02:00
on and that’s it after all, the red army won,00:02:04
not the white army, and so on and so forth there is00:02:06
some other connection that we00:02:08
didn’t notice; in front of us stood00:02:11
wonderful icons from Pushkin, let’s say00:02:14
how matte we think that this00:02:16
is Russia on the other side, look00:02:21
when March 5th all 3 years Stalin died on00:02:26
the same day number and Sergei Prokofiev00:02:28
so for Sergei Prokofiev there00:02:32
was not a single flower on the grave, that is, we00:02:36
have here a culture without flowers, here00:02:39
Stalin is drowning in flowers, that is, we are00:02:42
still with all our00:02:45
touching liberalism but somehow they didn’t00:02:48
read that this is Russia, it’s much more00:02:52
powerful than the security forces, it’s much simpler, it’s crushing,00:02:56
it’s00:02:57
crushing other Russia, and of course,00:03:00
if it were possible to address the people with00:03:03
reasonable speeches, then I think that the people00:03:07
would get involved quite quickly and understand, but00:03:10
since it’s placing them here the very00:03:14
dialogue that is still going on with the Golden Horde00:03:16
is very difficult, it’s very difficult for us,00:03:19
you know, before the Moscow Ring Road it turned out in the 90s00:03:23
that we fell into some kind of hole in the00:03:25
Soviet Union for the kids to find at 500:03:27
meters, well, forgive the rope and we’ll climb out,00:03:30
obviously this and I could somewhere- then 50 meters you00:03:34
need to make some special devices,00:03:36
I am convinced that it will work out someday,00:03:40
but you know Hertz spoke about Russia, you have to00:03:42
live long so that even you, well,00:03:45
many say that this is a war, Putin, but00:03:48
if Putin is not there for some reason, it00:03:50
doesn’t matter he will die he will resign he will00:03:54
run away strangely he will be removed from00:03:57
power if Putin doesn’t update00:03:59
it will bring without and soon you will update00:04:03
conditionally I think that these are really00:04:05
wars of one person because he00:04:08
has collected those same elements in himself and they are00:04:11
focused on which we were just00:04:14
talking and this is a different civilization,00:04:16
this is something that has always been in him since00:04:21
childhood, this is00:04:23
lips, not honor, this desire to win in the00:04:26
yard, then this desire to win in the00:04:28
sports section, then to become a person00:04:31
with impunity through the KGB system, the main00:04:35
word is victory, and then it00:04:38
turns out to be Russian ideology which00:04:40
is expressed in one single phrase, we are00:04:42
better than everyone and everything is why we are better than everyone00:04:46
because the answer is childish because00:04:50
they can’t explain anything further to anyone00:04:52
because then it all shuts up, but00:04:55
in order to build all this new there was00:04:58
one single person who00:05:01
thought this through from top to bottom he thought out the system, the00:05:04
great Gopnik00:05:06
in the West, many felt sympathy for00:05:08
Russia even before the start of this war,00:05:10
despite all the problems that were in00:05:13
Russia, now the West is dominated,00:05:15
of course, the image of Russia is ok, the image of the enemy is00:05:18
how long have you been telling the West yourself that00:05:21
you also have a European soul, how long the00:05:23
West will have to go to ensure that the image00:05:26
in Russia changes, but you know, I wouldn’t00:05:29
say that the West is not the goal00:05:32
because the West, and if we take Poland, they were there even00:05:36
in Soviet times and I have my first wife,00:05:39
but I felt, in general, not00:05:41
small as How can I say this in00:05:44
a sentence, yes, I felt the Polish00:05:47
people, I didn’t feel it, but now00:05:50
when I’m traveling around Europe, see it in Poland in00:05:53
Riga, a huge number of00:05:55
Ukrainian flags, you cross the00:05:58
French border, not a single one before the00:06:01
other situation in Greece 3 in Italy, well,00:06:06
of course, Hungary everything else nevertheless, we00:06:09
managed to connect something and put00:06:12
Europe together00:06:14
slowly, painfully blindly, somehow,00:06:18
so to speak, I figured out that what00:06:20
was happening,00:06:22
you understand, the matter is in the very life itself, and here00:06:25
in Europe, some pose of a heroic00:06:28
society, already a Casanova on it cannot00:06:30
be just a potapan definition will be00:06:32
people can’t, friend,00:06:34
bite their throats just like dogs, but00:06:37
it turns out there is another civilization,00:06:39
another value system, this is what Sue00:06:43
wanted to say, dine from the golden horde of00:06:46
which 1 turn says, why is this00:06:49
great, paul got into the blood, animates00:06:52
look at our leader, he just00:06:55
blossomed like that We’re glad, well, it’s true that at some00:06:58
point this was hit a little,00:07:00
then this dragon began to00:07:04
grow again and this is with very dangerous00:07:07
programmers as a mixture, now they’re really00:07:09
promoting the topic of abolishing the so-called00:07:12
abolition of Russian culture in the West, that00:07:14
supposedly such abolition exists, this same one00:07:17
they said that Russian culture00:07:20
in Hamburg be Russian literature00:07:23
talk about Russian literature,00:07:24
it’s clear that this is still decent, although there00:07:27
were individual incidents, nevertheless, isn’t00:07:29
this a blow to Russian culture,00:07:32
and well, I can say that there are emotions00:07:35
that are00:07:37
not difficult to understand, so here are my00:07:40
friends as while I was traveling in Germany through00:07:44
different countries, there were such cases when they00:07:46
complained especially about the musician in which00:07:49
concerts were closed to listen and at00:07:52
night in Germany by car in France00:07:55
who sounds this is Prokofiev from the slag of the00:07:59
evening Tchaikovsky constantly to such a00:08:01
puppy in Bhutan with a challenge this makes mine00:08:05
students are00:08:07
actually just big on the hunt themselves,00:08:11
and so we made a course on Russian writers00:08:13
through the eyes of not German culture, well, what00:08:18
can we say, it’s a wonderful disaster and00:08:21
everyone intends and exaggerates so that00:08:24
people get confused so that they don’t know00:08:27
what it’s like if you’ve sewn up the circle of a fool they don’t respect00:08:30
you’re ruining this, it must be said that even00:08:32
Stalin allowed this for the furnaces, already his father was,00:08:35
as you know, a translator, they became necessary and00:08:38
knew from in general some secret00:08:41
passages, even then, in general, Schiller and Goethe00:08:45
can print, that is, but now it’s00:08:48
the other way around, that’s all that connected to Russia,00:08:51
all the enemies used to00:08:54
be good workers and peasants during the Soviet Union, but00:08:56
now everything will fall down, it will pass and00:08:59
ayumi is convinced that it will pass because00:09:01
such and such a structure is such a pyramid,00:09:04
it is collapsing, so there is no need to lose00:09:07
hope, we must say that we00:09:09
have a very a lot of strength and reasonable strength and00:09:12
dad, our people, you know, when I’m00:09:16
traveling through Siberia, for example, somewhere, I think00:09:19
what’s different about the Russian people, they have an00:09:20
amazing imagination,00:09:22
they know how to remember it from everything,00:09:24
google said how a corpse will call you a00:09:26
word and that’s all I think if you00:09:29
place the emphasis correctly,00:09:31
find the opportunity not to promote propaganda about00:09:33
educating the right, then everything will go00:09:36
fine, but now we’ll kind of00:09:39
go down there to that depth of 5000:09:42
meters, if not more, we need to put00:09:45
stale air there, very parties, Victor00:09:48
said, as we know, we arrived as00:09:51
known, my colleague told us that you00:09:52
came here in the same car that00:09:54
you left Russia why Germany00:09:56
why did you leave Germany for now but you00:09:59
know the thing is that first of all it00:10:00
turned out to be a university, it’s still00:10:02
serious they didn’t do it for life00:10:05
why look at it too about culture we are00:10:08
now only what they said, I’m a00:10:11
professor of literature there and not some of00:10:14
those sciences that there is00:10:16
confrontation there, I’m very pleased that these00:10:19
people immediately wanted me to give00:10:21
public lectures, I gave your00:10:24
lecture in Hamburg, what is Russian00:10:27
happiness somehow and this is the same00:10:30
opportunity I’ll tell you in00:10:33
more detail in the task columns, there’s a feeling that you00:10:36
can work here and earn money00:10:40
and you’re accepted well, as if by the butt,00:10:44
because because of the importance that you00:10:46
really have00:10:48
more than May, of course, my second home is00:10:51
France, but in France this is this beauty,00:10:54
this is aesthetic in general just00:10:56
abundance, but still the city there is more00:11:00
crowded for those who come to Germany00:11:03
open sro I once said the words00:11:06
that for me Germany was a transit,00:11:08
Moscow, Paris, I came home, well,00:11:11
in general, a rich country, everything I then realized00:11:14
that this is a cultural country I’m like you00:11:16
told your friend Film Spengler00:11:18
writer in German his Telma let’s00:11:21
buy00:11:22
some used car with a00:11:28
trailer and we’ll drive around and give00:11:31
lectures and sell books in every00:11:33
village and it still remains a00:11:35
cultural country here I must00:11:38
congratulate German and I must say that you00:11:40
can’t find such a country in Europe and 200:11:45
not only do you give lectures, you continue to00:11:46
write and my colleague said that you00:11:49
just finished a book that has00:11:52
actual Pokemon connections, I00:11:54
started writing this idea, of course I wrote it even00:11:58
before the war, it’s called the great gopnik00:12:00
is a parallel life of one famous00:12:04
person in Russia and me, it was first00:12:07
created as removed and if not00:12:10
humorous and as if on an00:12:12
ironic basis, well, one person00:12:14
went in one direction and the other completely00:12:16
different life occupy somehow here are 200:12:19
Russia through the eyes of in general, they00:12:22
intersect because in general I00:12:26
would like to remind them of Sorokin and Pele, he was the00:12:28
first to be declared enemies of Russian culture00:12:31
back in 2002, when everyone thinks that you are00:12:34
that person, liberals are all friends of the00:12:36
West, our husbands exchanged our books for00:12:39
Bunin and everything else and did I00:12:42
want to show that these two00:12:44
Russias are united in clashes of00:12:47
scandals in provocation of a neighbor and others in the00:12:51
end they disagree ironically no00:12:54
the war let in no damage here and00:12:57
that’s why I’m writing everything down00:13:00
almost before I wrote this book it will be00:13:02
published somewhere in at the end of the year in German,00:13:06
there really is this00:13:09
fatal meeting of two civilizations, well, like red00:13:12
white or or we have the Scythian block once again to00:13:15
return to the block in general, there is something to00:13:18
think about, although of course the basis is00:13:21
ironic, it should be in the novel,00:13:23
this is irony already changed some shade,00:13:26
you know, it’s no longer light green, it’s00:13:29
kind of more strict, but00:13:31
let’s see what Maksimkina wrote, he said00:13:34
that it will be in German and Russian, but00:13:36
you know, of course it’s in Germany and00:13:39
it will be surrendered in Russian and00:13:42
probably everywhere in Estonia, but you know,00:13:45
it seems to me that00:13:50
somehow a book with such a title00:13:54
will appear in Moscow now, it’s just that there is still00:13:57
no such brutal censorship on books, but00:14:01
still imagine on Tverskaya00:14:04
or on New Arbat a book by the Great00:14:06
Gopnik but this is Velsky and a friend driving00:14:10
today we wanted to talk to our00:14:12
correspondents about00:14:13
the tightening of the law on foreign00:14:15
agents,00:14:16
apparently the authorities the Kremlin wants to00:14:19
expand this list, aren’t you00:14:22
also afraid that you will end up on it,00:14:25
it’s hard for me to say that some kind of agent00:14:28
because with his French soul but00:14:32
I don’t even know, I’d rather look, giving00:14:35
lectures, it’s as if to educate where00:14:38
about Russian culture, maybe I’d rather have the00:14:40
Russian ocean here in Europe in a good00:14:43
way from you, but to evaluate and00:14:45
after I was given mini troponin like00:14:48
that in the face at night, deep,00:14:52
normal state Russian writers are00:14:54
not afraid of anything, thank you very much, I wanted to00:14:58
tell our viewers that you brought00:15:00
a few more books, I hope that you00:15:02
will sign them for the viewers howled,00:15:05
did we create in the description for this program we will00:15:08
tell about the conditions of how we could be00:15:10
and the book you will receive a huge thank you for00:15:12
coming to the axis fires you will be saved hold00:15:14
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На фоне войны против Украины Россию покинул известный писатель Виктор Ерофеев. В интервью DW он рассказал, что у него "две души - одна русская, а другая европейско-французская". "Не я уехал из России, а Россия из меня уехала", - резюмирует Виктор Ерофеев. -------------------------------- Как обойти блокировку DW? 🔵 По зеркальной ссылке: https://26394.info 🔵 Через наше партнерское приложение Psiphon (отправьте пустой email на [email protected] - ссылка для скачивания придет к вам автоматически) 🔵 Через любое приложение VPN 🔵 Через приложение DW в AppStore (https://apps.apple.com/ru/app/dw/id498833085) и GooglePlay (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.idmedia.android.newsportal&hl=de&gl=US) -------------------------------- Больше новостей на нашем сайте https://www.dw.com/ru/%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B-%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8F/s-9119 в Facebook https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Twitter https://twitter.com/dw_russian и Telegram https://t.me/dwglavnoe
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